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Shinji
05-06-2007, 11:12 PM
I just was updating my news about Japan when I saw in a blog this video about the increasing of interest in preteen Junior Idol in Japan, I think that this is some kind of concerning because some of the girls are very young :warn:

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What do you think?

Dyka
05-06-2007, 11:49 PM
The fact of the matter is that Japan is a perverted society compared to other cultures. It's hard to say that without sounding offensive, but especially by American standards, Japan is pretty much sinful. America has pageants for junior idols out there, but they are never used for hour-long productions where they pose and be raunchy in a skimpy outfit.

To them it's normal, but perhaps the fact that there is a news story about it shows that they are at least aware of its potential problems. At least not everyone in Japan agrees with it.

hk.daijobu
05-07-2007, 11:11 PM
Unless you have studied Japanese culture or been to japan you will probably never understand how open they are in some contexts with sexuality.
You also have to consider that what we consider normal here is totally taboo in other countries and vice-versa.

Although I will admit that 10yo's should be running around having their pictures being taken while they are only wearing G-Strings.... but whose to judge?

:hero:

Bud_The_Impaler
05-08-2007, 12:27 AM
Who's to judge? You are -- have an opinion!

There's only one question you have to ask yourself. Would you allow someone to publish intentionally sexy pictures of your 11 or 12 year daughter or niece or sister?

Our culture places so many pressures on kids to grow up faster than they should. Adults should concern themselves with helping children enjoy childhood rather than making them feel that their only value as a person is sexual. The former help people develop into well-adjusted teens and adults; the latter is how you raise emotional cripples.

mrmullusca
05-08-2007, 03:05 AM
I would not develop my taste for little girls (or boys), nor would I encourage their provocative behavior at a young age. That slippery slope leads to hell.

:block:

Of course when I was a teen I was obsessed with woman of any age. But now I am older and don't want to be a perv.

Candyman
05-08-2007, 04:16 AM
The Japanese are perverts and need to be concerned at what they are allowing. These girls are just way too young to be photographed in such a way. At least they should have some guidelines in place so lines won't be crossed as the market grows and competition increases. 10 year olds in g-strings is just wrong.

DeathWished
05-08-2007, 05:56 AM
How many of us here is a pedophile? I know there are TONNES in Japan, that's why these preteen idols are so popular.

locohaiiyu05
05-08-2007, 06:35 AM
Adults should concern themselves with helping children enjoy childhood rather than making them feel that their only value as a person is sexual.

I think that's the main point here. What a 10 year old girl is being told here when she is asked to show off is this: "you are valuable to us because you're showing skin"... What kind of sense of self worth is this girl gonna develop later on?

But the main thing is... Adults are not MEANT to be sexually attracted to 10 year old girls. It's just not biologically normal. So yeah, pretty much I think this is messed up.

Shinji
05-08-2007, 11:37 PM
I think Japan should think about this subject..... this is to wrong to happen!
Why they don't like more mature woman instead of young child's? It would be more interesting don't you think?

Chengku
05-09-2007, 09:01 AM
I recently saw some anime stuff that definitely says that some are attracted to kids. Some of the drawings showed girls who must be as young as two having sexual intercourse with an adult. I also noticed many comic covers that depicted flat chested girls (supposedly eight I guess) nude when in Japan. There are also anime drawings of ten year olds having sex with adults both "getting into it" and being abused. This stuff is pretty questionable to say the least.
But lets avoid using phrases saying "Japanese are perverts" as they are not all into this kind of thing.

Lunch
05-09-2007, 10:56 PM
The fact of the matter is that Japan is a perverted society compared to other cultures. It's hard to say that without sounding offensive, but especially by American standards, Japan is pretty much sinful. America has pageants for junior idols out there, but they are never used for hour-long productions where they pose and be raunchy in a skimpy outfit.

To them it's normal, but perhaps the fact that there is a news story about it shows that they are at least aware of its potential problems. At least not everyone in Japan agrees with it.


'Perverted' and 'sinful'. Spoken like a true American. Nice one.

Dyka
05-09-2007, 11:08 PM
I'll admit that my Christian American values came out in that post, but how else do I put it? I used "perverted" from my own perspective, but I used
"sinful" from the average American's perspective. Personally, I find nothing sinful, but I'll find things immoral. I don't think perversion or girls running around in G-strings is immoral, but I do think it's strange.

But I'm just trying to defend myself. Take it as you wish.

DeathWished
05-10-2007, 07:25 AM
I recently saw some anime stuff that definitely says that some are attracted to kids. Some of the drawings showed girls who must be as young as two having sexual intercourse with an adult. I also noticed many comic covers that depicted flat chested girls (supposedly eight I guess) nude when in Japan. There are also anime drawings of ten year olds having sex with adults both "getting into it" and being abused. This stuff is pretty questionable to say the least.
But lets avoid using phrases saying "Japanese are perverts" as they are not all into this kind of thing.

I believe they call those hentai and loli. Ask chompy, he knows the best.

Ordell
05-11-2007, 05:55 PM
That's just disgusting. I feel dirty for ogling the cheerleader on Heroes, and she's 17.

cj!
05-13-2007, 07:12 AM
That's just disgusting. I feel dirty for ogling the cheerleader on Heroes, and she's 17.

*Drools* She's perfectly legal for me though. :evillaugh:

xaltair
12-12-2007, 08:13 PM
There's no way a 10 year old posing in a g-string can be seen as an "adult" by anyone that doesn't have severe mental problems. The guy that said that in the video is obviously crazy or i don't know what else. What kind of a dad would take pics of his 10 year old girl like that...there's a reason why there's age rules in any country. I can't believe there's bookstores that make their living just by selling junior idols stuff...that's insane. :giveup:

lapinrose
12-12-2007, 10:00 PM
That is absolutely disgusting. I honestly feel sick looking at that. If I ever saw that father of that girl I would castrate him. Honestly, that is just plain wrong. I don't care what the "norms" are or how "perverted" some people are, these are little girls. It's cruel. These poor kids are going to be messed up for the rest of their lives.

Yes, let's censor porn with grown women who actually are mentally capable of understanding what they're doing and chose their profession but 10 YEAR OLDS IN G STRINGS ARE JUST FINE!
:angry:

redeux
12-12-2007, 10:35 PM
back about 2000 i was informed that due to the incoming conservative president japan would change its 'anything that sells' policy to more reflect american 'values'...
under the clintons and their pervert buddies japan was the major supplier of child porn to the world with the under 10 year old stuff predominating ...
movies featuring as young as 3 year olds were supposed to be readily available from major japanese porn studios.(so much for 'it takes a village' and child protection acts )...
now under bush the russkis , other east bloc countries , and china are getting into every kind of filth imaginable...
isreal is said to be the biggest producer and seller of kiddieporn in the world by people familiar with the market and its consumers...:crash::giveup::cry:

Lustor!
12-13-2007, 12:55 AM
under clinton and their pervert buddies japan was the major supplier of child porn to the world with the under 10 year old stuff predominating ...
So you're saying that Clinton and his "pervert buddies" are responsible for Japan's output of jr idols? Hold on while I search for the vomit emoticon...

xaltair
12-13-2007, 01:22 AM
back about 2000 i was informed that due to the incoming conservative president japan would change its 'anything that sells' policy to more reflect american 'values'...
under clinton and their pervert buddies japan was the major supplier of child porn to the world with the under 10 year old stuff predominating ...
movies featuring as young as 3 year olds were supposed to be readily available from major japanese porn studios.(so much for 'it takes a village' and child protection acts )...
now under bush the russkis , other east bloc countries , and china are getting into every kind of filth imaginable...
isreal is said to be the biggest producer and seller of kiddieporn in the world by people familiar with the market and its consumers...:crash::giveup::cry:

I don't think that underground kiddie porn = mass market of g string 10 year olds merchandise.

Two completely different things. :bingo:

redeux
12-13-2007, 01:33 AM
So you're saying that Clinton and his "pervert buddies" are responsible for Japan's output of jr idols? Hold on while I search for the vomit emoticon...
no , read it again ...
japan used to be the major supplier of CP...
when bush with his 'family values' came into office japan quietly toned everything down to keep the $$$ coming in ...
the clintons did nothing but give lip service to all their 'its fo' the chilluns' bs ...
clintons buddies in china and russia took up where japan left off...
the jr idols are about as bad as legitimate japanese suppliers are willing to risk right now ...
if hitlery were to win in '08 it would be back to business as usual for the studios...

Dyka
12-13-2007, 01:39 AM
Child porn was banned in Japan in 1999. How they get away with the sort of stuff they release these days is way beyond me. If Hilary winning the office means Japan is going to unban the material then Japan is just gonna fuck itself over with the international community. I don't think that'll happen.

redeux
12-13-2007, 01:46 AM
Child porn was banned in Japan in 1999. How they get away with the sort of stuff they release these days is way beyond me. If Hilary winning the office means Japan is going to unban the material then Japan is just gonna fuck itself over with the international community. I don't think that'll happen.

all we can do is wait and see , it should be interesting to watch esp. if more people out hitlery's contributors...

SacredX
12-13-2007, 02:29 AM
These things are growing more and more common as the years progress. A study also reveals that at least every one in four men have some form of sexual attraction towards children, and another study revealed that a large percentage of men would have sex with a child if they had no chance at getting caught. Japan is simply emphasizing this I suppose. It's still taboo here in America, yet the interest seems to be growing if anything.

Also unless I've mistaken, child porn and modeling are too different things. Child porn is banned for much more obvious reasons, and I'm sure there might be at least some groups in Japan trying to get rid of this modeling thing as well.

Lustor!
12-13-2007, 02:54 AM
no , read it again ...
japan used to be the major supplier of CP...
when bush with his 'family values' came into office japan quietly toned everything down to keep the $$$ coming in ...
the clintons did nothing but give lip service to all their 'its fo' the chilluns' bs ...
clintons buddies in china and russia took up where japan left off...
the jr idols are about as bad as legitimate japanese suppliers are willing to risk right now ...
if hitlery were to win in '08 it would be back to business as usual for the studios...
Obviously, I didn't read your post wrong. And I have news for you, Japan's porn industry has NEVER been so daring as they are now.
In any case, are you suggesting that Japan is receiving donor money from the US?

redeux
12-13-2007, 03:16 AM
Obviously, I didn't read your post wrong. And I have news for you, Japan's porn industry has NEVER been so daring as they are now.
In any case, are you suggesting that Japan is receiving donor money from the US?

they are on the gravy train just like all our other "allies" are..
i am not talking about jav being toned down , just the CP ...
JAV sucks badly , just nasty stuff...
granted our homegrown pron is just as vile in its own way ....
as 'deepthroat' said so many years ago "follow the money"...

lapinrose
12-13-2007, 08:12 PM
These things are growing more and more common as the years progress. A study also reveals that at least every one in four men have some form of sexual attraction towards children, and another study revealed that a large percentage of men would have sex with a child if they had no chance at getting caught. Japan is simply emphasizing this I suppose. It's still taboo here in America, yet the interest seems to be growing if anything.

Also unless I've mistaken, child porn and modeling are too different things. Child porn is banned for much more obvious reasons, and I'm sure there might be at least some groups in Japan trying to get rid of this modeling thing as well.

This isn't modeling for gap kids or something. CHILDREN are being marketed as sexual objects and whether or not it's considered "pornography" or not it is still absolutely wrong.

Honestly, I don't care what kind of fantasies anyone has, that's their own personal business. But asking a ten year old CHILD to strip to her underwear in front of a camera is disgusting. It is wrong. Plain and simple.

No child should ever be exploited like that.

xaltair
12-13-2007, 10:41 PM
It's really vile and like some guy in the video said they're dressed in g-strings in "sexually explicit poses". If that's not softcore porn, then what is? Shouldn't there be an age limit for posing in sexually explicit poses, like 18 or 16 or something, but sure as hell not 10. If they got 10 and 11 what's to stop them from posing 8 and 9 year olds and say that they're 10 year olds instead, since 10 seems to be the minimum age.

I mean it works for porn, they always get some 15-17 year olds in porn and then say they're actually 18 with fake id. Check out Tracy Lords' true life story, when she was forced to do porn by her step dad when she was only 15, but the studio got away with it for 3 years until she was actually 18.

This stuff is beyond perverted.

vincent_z
12-24-2007, 10:59 PM
It's really vile and like some guy in the video said they're dressed in g-strings in "sexually explicit poses". If that's not softcore porn, then what is? Shouldn't there be an age limit for posing in sexually explicit poses, like 18 or 16 or something, but sure as hell not 10. If they got 10 and 11 what's to stop them from posing 8 and 9 year olds and say that they're 10 year olds instead, since 10 seems to be the minimum age.
I mean it works for porn, they always get some 15-17 year olds in porn and then say they're actually 18 with fake id. Check out Tracy Lords' true life story, when she was forced to do porn by her step dad when she was only 15, but the studio got away with it for 3 years until she was actually 18.
This stuff is beyond perverted. Let me start with this statement.
Traci Lords was not forced to work in porn. That was what she had to utter if she wanted to have any semblance of a career in movies after being found out. Her entire "autobiography" is crammed to the brim with memory lapses, falsehoods, and outright lies; designed to make her appear to be the "victim".
The document which Traci had which showed her age as over 18 was a United States Passport obtained for her by her mother. Back in the mid-1980s, the U. S. Department of State did not commonly do verification checks to see if the person's age was truthfully represented. Do you think her mother was unaware of what she was doing?
Traci and mother dropped the dime on themselves because Traci's production corporation had the exclusive rights to the only video which she had done after turning eighteen. Again, does this sound like a "victim"? No, this was a calculating, money-grubbing bitch who put the entire production of adult movies and videos in the U.S.A. directly on the front burner. Yes, someone (Miles Kidder) went to jail for unfortunately titling the video in which he starred Traci as "Those Young Girls".

Now, as for the junior idol fetish in Japan. I'll go all the way back to the "beginning" (especially as many detractors claim a religious background). If you believe the story about Adam and Eve; how do you deal with the storyline that God told them, "Do not eat the fruit from that tree."?
What happened? When God wasn't paying attention, what did Adam and Eve do?
They ate the fruit from that tree.
If you believe this story, this could illustrate that when you tell somebody they should not do something; it makes them want to do that something.

I am not here to judge you. I hope you do not judge me.
I believe that the junior idol fetish is a refreshing admission that some people find the cuteness and appearance of very young girls to be sensually arousing.
Again, I stress that it must remain a fantasy. But if you have a fantasy of performing a lewd act with a very young girl; I submit that viewing some of these junior idol videos is a safe release for you.
Does the 13-year-old in a junior idol video know that you are fapping away to her? No.
Does Reon Kadena know that you are fapping away to her? No.
Does Anna Ohura know that you are fapping away to her? No.
Does Sakura Sakurada, and her mother, know that you are fapping away to her? No.
Again, as long as you do not try to commit the act in real life, I respectfully submit that this is a permissable fantasy. A proper outlet for a "forbidden" fantasy which should alleviate the desire to perform the genuine act (which I do strongly condemn).

lapinrose
12-26-2007, 02:11 AM
Now, as for the junior idol fetish in Japan. I'll go all the way back to the "beginning" (especially as many detractors claim a religious background). If you believe the story about Adam and Eve; how do you deal with the storyline that God told them, "Do not eat the fruit from that tree."?
What happened? When God wasn't paying attention, what did Adam and Eve do?
They ate the fruit from that tree.
If you believe this story, this could illustrate that when you tell somebody they should not do something; it makes them want to do that something.

I am not here to judge you. I hope you do not judge me.
I believe that the junior idol fetish is a refreshing admission that some people find the cuteness and appearance of very young girls to be sensually arousing.
Again, I stress that it must remain a fantasy. But if you have a fantasy of performing a lewd act with a very young girl; I submit that viewing some of these junior idol videos is a safe release for you.
Does the 13-year-old in a junior idol video know that you are fapping away to her? No.
Does Reon Kadena know that you are fapping away to her? No.
Does Anna Ohura know that you are fapping away to her? No.
Does Sakura Sakurada, and her mother, know that you are fapping away to her? No.
Again, as long as you do not try to commit the act in real life, I respectfully submit that this is a permissable fantasy. A proper outlet for a "forbidden" fantasy which should alleviate the desire to perform the genuine act (which I do strongly condemn).

I find that whole "forbidden fruit" comparison a little overexaggerated. Most of modern society has accepted that sexually exploiting children is wrong...sooo by your logic now most people will be breaking down doors to junior high schools with their pants down.

No. This whole growing popularity of preteen idols all comes down to money. That's it. Japanese idols do tend to lean towards the "kawaii" look, the pouting, the big innocent eyed stares... The makers of these magazines and DVDs think "hey, if pig tailed 20 year olds are making us this much money think about how much more pigtailed thirteen year olds would make us!" Why take false viriginal innocence if you can have the real thing? Then they've got the consumers by the throat. The buyers of these things become obsessed with that fantasy of being completely in control, being totally adored by these little girls.

And that's when it becomes a problem. Coming from a "moraless, evil atheist", the preteen idol industry is wrong. Bottom line. It is anything but a safe release when you put a child on the other end of the camera.

Being looked at as a sexual object and praised only on your looks when you are that young will, pardon my lack of vocabulary, fuck you up. Plain and simple.

I mean just look kid actors or kid singers...even with their clothes on they are emotionally and mentally damaged for their entire lives. When everyone is telling you how pretty you are, when your own parents are supporting you running around in bikinis and sucking on lolipops...you just don't grow up properly.

What happens when these kids get older? They'll without a doubt be self destructive in some way whether with drugs or using sex to feel accepted and loved...it's just cruel to put a child through that when they're not at a place in their lives when they are old enough to choose this type of career for themselves. That is why there is an age limit for this type of thing, to protect kids from manipulative adults that will end up ruining their lives.

I am not to condemn someone for having a certain fetish. As you said it's fantasy. I mean I like S&M...some people think that's imorral, big deal. What you do in your house or in front of your computer screen is your own business. That's not really the issue here. If ADULTS don't start acting like ADULTS and take some ::gasp:: RESPONSIBILITY for their actions and make a change to help these girls from destroying their lives... It's just unacceptable. Wake up people. Really.

aaaaaand I'm done.

:full:

scanlover
12-27-2007, 05:41 PM
Hmm.. many societies in the world would deem the adult industry as immoral, irresponsible or even illegal. Yet some of you are certainly comfortable with the concept. So why cant you free your mind and accept Japan's booming bikini teenage idols? :)

lapinrose
12-27-2007, 09:22 PM
Hmm.. many societies in the world would deem the adult industry as immoral, irresponsible or even illegal. Yet some of you are certainly comfortable with the concept. So why cant you free your mind and accept Japan's booming bikini teenage idols? :)

Because the adult industry is made up of adults. >.> ...

A grown woman (or man for that matter) is mentally capable of making the decision to be in sexy magazines or AVs or whatever. They're not children being manipulated.

Maetel1180Crp
12-27-2007, 09:44 PM
Because the adult industry is made up of adults. >.> ...

A grown woman (or man for that matter) is mentally capable of making the decision to be in sexy magazines or AVs or whatever. They're not children being manipulated.

it's just my own little opinion, but watching a forteen year old "child" sportin' a bikini, fooling & posing around at some nice beach, is far more good for my karma, than watching an eighteen year old "child" getting humiliated with all it's gaggin' & degrading shouts, as seen in most american* "mainstream" gonzo.

*of course, also seen in japanese AV, with it's DAS, IE & so on, but i think there is still a very difference to american stuff u see nowadays in case of pornography combined with deep aggression.

cheers'

Lustor!
12-28-2007, 12:24 AM
it's just my own little opinion, but watching a forteen year old "child" sportin' a bikini, fooling & posing around at some nice beach, is far more good for my karma, than watching an eighteen year old "child" getting humiliated with all it's gaggin' & degrading shouts, as seen in most american* "mainstream" gonzo.

*of course, also seen in japanese AV, with it's DAS, IE & so on, but i think there is still a very difference to american stuff u see nowadays in case of pornography combined with deep aggression.

cheers'
Are you serious? The Japanese make THE most depraved AV in the world! You hardly see the kind of common abuse in other countries AV as you do in Japanese stuff - the rape theme is rampant, the forced BJ scenes, the molestation scenes, the incest, the prego stuff, the bukake sessions...

And of course the jr idol stuff...

`CL´™©®
12-28-2007, 02:08 AM
Is this very different from USA/North America and how they have supermodels that start @ 13-15 yrs old even youger in some cases?
These girls are exposed to eating disorders,drug abuse,bitching by other models,etc.
How will the end up growing up when all they see is this kind of behavior by most of the "senior/older" model the used to look up to as a "role model".
A few of these girls died recently from eating disorders that lead to heart failure.

The only difference I see is the $$$.
Top paid "Supermodels" earn $10 mil plus a show when they're the "it girl".

Remember most of the girls we oogle here on SLF were once "Jr Idols".
It sort of just a new generation of models coming up.
Some of the poses or choice of outfit does concern me sometimes but again theres worse things going on here in North America and around the world.
Don't blame Japan, blame the models parents.
Their parents must consent to having their daughters travel the world with people who take their pictures.

The positive outcome of this industry is that some of these girls can make a living using this as a "stepping stone" into acting or singing.

Bottom line...
If theres a market...They're going to sell/exploit it.
:bingo:

We should really concentrate our efforts on children getting exploited in the sex trade in other parts of Asia.
Thats what should be more concerning than the subject of "Jr Idols" IMO.
:oy::ban:
:hero:

Maetel1180Crp
12-28-2007, 09:19 AM
Are you serious? The Japanese make THE most depraved AV in the world!

you probably haven't visited the back-alleys of a german video store yet.:evillaugh:

you of course right, it wasn't my intention to only highlight the american marked, the trend is worldwide.
but, that aggressivity towards the actresses, the constant verbal abuse..& this being the very standard. i still see major differences in the japanese marked, compared to recent US (& euro) productions.

even the thoughest japanese mainstream rape productions have a staged, well produced fantasy tone attached to it. as u said, they are theme & niche videos. so, if u want your Natsume Nana crying & being humiliated, buy this video, you want her smiling throu the whole dvd u can buy the other video.

depraved doesn't always mean agressive or degrading. there are tons of bukkake/gokkun dvds out there, were the girl is still threated as an "idol".
(i know how u love the word "idol" in relation with AV.. but in this word, as far streched as it is in that contex, lays the very difference. ;P)

back to the topic, i still sleep way better after watching a Shihono Ryo DVD than some AV, were the girl is probably only three years older, but getting nakadashi treatments, forced BJ & all that jazz.

ps: what is prego stuff?

lapinrose
12-28-2007, 05:47 PM
Is this very different from USA/North America and how they have supermodels that start @ 13-15 yrs old even youger in some cases?
These girls are exposed to eating disorders,drug abuse,bitching by other models,etc.
How will the end up growing up when all they see is this kind of behavior by most of the "senior/older" model the used to look up to as a "role model".
A few of these girls died recently from eating disorders that lead to heart failure.

The only difference I see is the $$$.
Top paid "Supermodels" earn $10 mil plus a show when they're the "it girl".

Remember most of the girls we oogle here on SLF were once "Jr Idols".
It sort of just a new generation of models coming up.
Some of the poses or choice of outfit does concern me sometimes but again theres worse things going on here in North America and around the world.
Don't blame Japan, blame the models parents.
Their parents must consent to having their daughters travel the world with people who take their pictures.

The positive outcome of this industry is that some of these girls can make a living using this as a "stepping stone" into acting or singing.

Bottom line...
If theres a market...They're going to sell/exploit it.
:bingo:

We should really concentrate our efforts on children getting exploited in the sex trade in other parts of Asia.
Thats what should be more concerning than the subject of "Jr Idols" IMO.
:oy::ban:
:hero:

I concur. There really isn't that much of a difference between USA teen models and ones in Japan. It's like I said before, any kind of "child star" is probably going to get messed up in some way.

The parents are really the ones to blame. I mean tell any kid "smile pretty and you can have anything you want" and they'll do it. It's just, I think back to when I was a 11 or 12...my parents thought it was bad enough that I wanted to wear lip gloss and these kids are in thongs. I dunno... :unforgiven:

I think all preteen girls should have manditory self defense training. :bingo:

man I really don't know what I'm talking about...:...:

`CL´™©®
12-28-2007, 06:32 PM
I concur. There really isn't that much of a difference between USA teen models and ones in Japan. It's like I said before, any kind of "child star" is probably going to get messed up in some way.

The parents are really the ones to blame. I mean tell any kid "smile pretty and you can have anything you want" and they'll do it. It's just, I think back to when I was a 11 or 12...my parents thought it was bad enough that I wanted to wear lip gloss and these kids are in thongs. I dunno... :unforgiven:

I think all preteen girls should have manditory self defense training. :bingo:

man I really don't know what I'm talking about...:...:

But the man behind the camera is the boss.
What he says goes. He's the one signing the check over to the agent/agency.

What if he tells a "pre-teen" girl who has a black belt in whatever to pose or he'll leave her in Thailand or wherever they're shooting?
I'm pretty sure these girls don't have any credit cards to pay their own way back home.
And a karate chop isn't going to solve anything in this type of situation.:evillaugh:
I joke, it isn't even really this brutal.

If this certain model doesn't work out there always another waiting for her chance.
This also means she won't be working for this company ever or many other companies either because she will be "black listed".

Models have a very short "shelf life" so if they start young & save as much as they can they'll be able to live comfortably enough to take a part time job after their modeling career is over.

When I scouted/recruited for my previous job I'd even ask parents if they'd be interested in sign up their toddlers.

Age isn't an issue in the "biz".
If the child has the "look" or seems to be marketable them we try as hard as we can to sign them.
From the "look" we work on some of the other skills they need to survive in the "biz".

Asakura
12-30-2007, 06:10 AM
It doesn't really bother me, different cultures have different standards. Nothing that anyone says or does is going to change that fact. It's just that simple. You can say its wrong or claim that the parents are horrible (without even knowing them) till you're blue in the face.

I agree that 10-12 yr olds shouldn't be dressed up in thongs and presented as sex objects but no one is forcing me or you to look at it, and there is always adblock too. Seriously, you're not going to 'change' any pedophiles and these companies in Japan don't give a damn what a foreigner thinks about them.


That is absolutely disgusting. I honestly feel sick looking at that. If I ever saw that father of that girl I would castrate him. Honestly, that is just plain wrong. I don't care what the "norms" are or how "perverted" some people are, these are little girls. It's cruel. These poor kids are going to be messed up for the rest of their lives.


That seems a little closed minded. What if they are doing it because THEY WANT TO? Young girls like attention, they like to feel pretty and grown up. I take it you never played Dress Up when you were a kid.


I think all preteen girls should have manditory self defense training.

I hope these self defense classes also teach the laws of physics ;)


edit: typos ^_^;;;

lapinrose
12-31-2007, 12:11 AM
It doesn't really bother me, different cultures have different standards. Nothing that anyone says or does is going to change that fact. It's just that simple. You can say its wrong or claim that the parents are horrible (without even knowing them) till you're blue in the face.

I agree that 10-12 yr olds shouldn't be dressed up in thongs and presented as sex objects but no one is forcing me or you to look at it, and there is always adblock too. Seriously, you're not going to 'change' any pedophiles and these companies in Japan don't give a damn what a foreigner thinks about them.



That seems a little closed minded. What if they are doing it because THEY WANT TO? Young girls like attention, they like to feel pretty and grown up. I take it you never played Dress Up when you were a kid.


I never was under the impression that stating my beliefs on some forum on the internet was going to tear down the preteen idol industry...don't patronize me sir.

I never played dress up in bikinis while men took pictures of me. Feeling pretty and grown up while wearing mommy's heels is a lot different than modeling for adult magazines.

sumcat
12-31-2007, 12:53 AM
things for adults, by adults please, humans should live their lives one step at a time, anyone who try make a rush is on the risk of falling, and not everyone has the strengt to stand after the fall, some of then just die miserable there, it's just so sad..........................

Chengku
02-15-2008, 08:22 AM
Let's deal with a few flawed arguments:

"There are worse things in the world e.g.German porn"

Taking a relative perspective is weak. If some one made a movie where women were bashed they could claim snuff is worse. You cannot claim that the existence of worse behaviour justifies your or others' behaviour.

"The parents approve"

Parents sell their kids into slavery, beat them, rape them etc. You do not need a licence to be parent so being a parent does not make you a moral arbiter.

"Many adult models started as juniors"

This does not make it okay. A great swimmer may have trained like a robot since he was five, this does not mean that we should say "that is the way it will always be". Past practices can change and in a progressive society they will.

"We are from European backgrounds, they are Japanese"
I think you will find Japanese do not normalise this behaviour. They do not invite adults to the high schools to get a date or take photographs of girls in buruma. It seems legal but that does not mean it is culturally okay.

Ordell
02-15-2008, 06:15 PM
Being looked at as a sexual object and praised only on your looks when you are that young will, pardon my lack of vocabulary, fuck you up. Plain and simple.


Now how can you say that, it never did a bit of harm to Britney Spears or Lindsay Lohan.

Oh wait, never mind...

masterbape
02-22-2008, 06:04 AM
It's just plain wrong.
Living in Japan, it's worse knowing there's a market for this kind of thing.

Djnx
02-29-2008, 11:35 PM
but especially by American standards, Japan is pretty much sinful.

Light a candle for each sinner... you set the world on fire.

About junior idols, most of them are not attractive to me since they don't really look like women, some of them even look like boys. It would be interesting a research and analysis on how the increased junior idol material relates to underage sexual abuse and if they are related.

ladydrake
07-16-2008, 07:49 AM
I CHOOSE NOT TO COMMENT.....

:negligent:

I understand all these comments, but being Japanese myself, & female, I rather not speak openly on this topic.

The only reason I even make this post, is NOT to defend these action, but ask that you remember that Japan is another country to most of you, with different values, both morally, & socially.

This is not a bad thing in itself, but remember, it is ANOTHER country.

I would love for all of us to follow the same moral code, but then, what kind of world are we live in?
Diverstity is already on the decline, & so we must embrace our nations difference with an open mind.

Yes, we may disagree, but we cannot make anyone conform to our principles. That is just another word for passive Imperialism.

We love the world because it is different & unique, let us understand & accept our difference, kindly suggest better social practices, but not demand.

The world is an ever evolving & changing place, let it grow under our guidance, not demand ^*

:)