Facebook owner: users are "dumb fucks"

[ExtremelyHappy]

A recorded IM conversation with Facebook Founder Mark Zuckenberg in 2003 was leaked today:


Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard
Zuck: Just ask.
Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS
(Redacted Friend's Name): What? How'd you manage that one?
Zuck: People just submitted it.
Zuck: I don't know why.
Zuck: They "trust me"
Zuck: Dumb fucks.


Said Business Insider who broke the story:


Facebook's attitude toward privacy, as reflected in Mark Zuckenberg's early emails and IMs, and the frequent changes to the privacy policy, has been consistently aggressive: Do something first, then see how people react. And this does appear to reflect Mark's own views of privacy, which seem to be that people shouldn't care about it as much as they do -- an attitude that very much reflects the attitude of his generation.

http://www.businessinsider.com/well-these-new-zuckerberg-ims-wont-help-facebooks-privacy-problems-2010-5


Facebook replied:


We’re not going to debate claims from anonymous sources or dated allegations ... Everyone within the company understands our success is inextricably linked with people's trust in the company and the service we provide

http://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-comments-on-zuckerbergs-damning-ims-2010-5


This NY Times says Facebook makes privacy setting as complex as they can:


Pop quiz: Which is longer, the United States Constitution or Facebook’s Privacy Policy? If you guessed the latter, you’re right. Facebook’s Privacy Policy is 5,830 words long; the United States Constitution, without any of its amendments, is a concise 4,543 words.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/05/12/business/facebook-privacy.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/13/technology/personaltech/13basics.html


They don't need to worry. The "dumb fucks" I know are positively hooked. If they had to submit a photo of themselves fapping to stay on Facebook they would.

[redeux]

can't stop laughing...
facebook is sooooo 3 years ago...
why would anyone have an account to begin with...?
(thumbs his nose at facebook doofuses and walks away laughing)

[colsanders]

can't stop laughing...
facebook is sooooo 3 years ago...
why would anyone have an account to begin with...?
(thumbs his nose at facebook doofuses and walks away laughing)

Aren't you talking about MySpace? Everyone has a Facebook account and obsessively and pointlessly checks it throughout the day. I've never understood the appeal, although a lot of people use it to hook up and catch syphilis and stuff. Sounds like fun.

As for the privacy issue, people post intimate details of their lives on a page that is easily accessible with a simple search, so what are they worried about exactly? That's another thing I don't understand about it - I don't want random people or even certain acquaintances knowing my shit. Some people are so absorbed in themselves that they probably don't even stop to think about these things.

[redeux]

Aren't you talking about MySpace? Everyone has a Facebook account and obsessively and pointlessly checks it throughout the day. I've never understood the appeal, although a lot of people use it to hook up and catch syphilis and stuff. Sounds like fun.

As for the privacy issue, people post intimate details of their lives on a page that is easily accessible with a simple search, so what are they worried about exactly? That's another thing I don't understand about it - I don't want random people or even certain acquaintances knowing my shit. Some people are so absorbed in themselves that they probably don't even stop to think about these things.

i most certainly do NOT have a facebook account, i checked with everyone i know , only 1 person had an account , and he hasn't checked it in months...
myspace is now a ghetto/sewer of stupidity and venality, facebook isn't quite there yet...

[colsanders]

Obviously I didn't mean it literally. There are 400 million active users though. Most people I know (I haven't specifically checked with everyone) under 40 (and some over) have an account, and I was pressured into making one myself (not sure if I make the "active" statistic or not though since I never log in). It's unquestionably there whether you like it or not.

Did you actually contact every single person you know in that short amount of time and receive a reply, by the way? That's pretty impressive. I can only imagine they're mostly not regular Internet users or fall outside the Facebook age bracket.

[OldiesLover]

Did you actually contact every single person you know in that short amount of time and receive a reply, by the way? That's pretty impressive. I can only imagine they're mostly not regular Internet users or fall outside the Facebook age bracket.

He used his new iPad.
:evillaugh:
http://forum.scanlover.com/showthread.php?t=38801 (http://forum.scanlover.com/showthread.php?t=38801)

[redeux]

Obviously I didn't mean it literally. There are 400 million active users though. Most people I know (I haven't specifically checked with everyone) under 40 (and some over) have an account, and I was pressured into making one myself (not sure if I make the "active" statistic or not though since I never log in). It's unquestionably there whether you like it or not.

Did you actually contact every single person you know in that short amount of time and receive a reply, by the way? That's pretty impressive. I can only imagine they're mostly not regular Internet users or fall outside the Facebook age bracket.

there were 8 people scattered thru the country most of whom were at their comps/cells/(puke)ipads(puke)by that time of the day...
press a single key and email all of them as a group...
(facebook/myspace, do you speak it?)
their age range is 29-80yrs...
plus i already knew the status of a couple of them (wtf is facebook/myspace?)
the only ones i didn't contact are in japan and not awake yet...
plus there is another group that doesn't have comps and therefore have no clue about facebook/myspace...:evillaugh:

[redeux]

He used his new iPad.
:evillaugh:
http://forum.scanlover.com/showthread.php?t=38801 (http://forum.scanlover.com/showthread.php?t=38801)

in a pigs ass, are you trying to defame/libel me or something?

[colourwheel]

I had a myspace account once like over 6 years ago and just kept randomly adding multiple friends request from people I didn't even know.

over time I think i had added over 100+ friends that i didnt know personally plus my real life friends.

After a few months passed my account somehow got hacked and the person who got into my account changed my settings, password, and email address so I couldn't even log in anymore.

Since then i never used myspace again.

As for facebook... I have a facebook account but I do not add people I don't already know IRL.

Since my myspace account was hacked I have learned to be cautious over the internet with personal info and photos of myself.

As an employer I do background checks of people i put trust in. For example I was going to hire a person to help buss tables and wash dishes. I logged onto facebook and searched to see if this person had an account. And he did.

Looking through his public photos I saw a few pictures of him smoking drugs and drinking. honestly i dont have a big problem about this if the person is trust worthy. So when I finally asked him to come in for an interview I kinda slipped out the question asking if he uses any illegal drugs.

He told me he has never done any drugs in his life. Right then and there I knew I could not trust him.

But the reality is, he could have just told me he has used them before and doesn't anymore, or he does use drugs but doesn't effect his work life, or even simply stating its none of my buisness. Any of these answer would have been better than just straight out lying to me.

So I didn't hire him...

[redeux]

i love to watch the lil' pukes get caught out by the crap they put on fb/ms...

[OldFartsFavourites]

Let's hope the "Dumb Fucks" quit Facebook En-Masse when they
realise their personal info isn't secure, OR, realise that having
10,000,000 online "friends" isn't worth Jack-Schit compared to
a REAL friend in REAL life ;p

Oh, sorry, did I say "Real Life" ???

... do Facebook-type Geeks actually HAVE one ?!? :)



Nope, us "Oldies" aren't on there ... http://forum.scanlover.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[colsanders]

there were 8 people scattered thru the country most of whom were at their comps/cells/(puke)ipads(puke)by that time of the day...
press a single key and email all of them as a group...
(facebook/myspace, do you speak it?)
their age range is 29-80yrs...
I don't doubt what you're saying (I wish Hotmail was that user-friendly though), but what are you trying to suggest? That Facebook isn't taking over the world? I'd imagine the majority of users are teens and people in their 20s, so I don't think your sample is the most conclusive. I did overhear two 40-year-old+ women talking about getting their friends to join a little while ago though. That's when I realised that there's no stopping it.

the only ones i didn't contact are in japan and not awake yet...
Try asking them about Mixi. That's another site I'm trying to avoid signing up to.

plus there is another group that doesn't have comps and therefore have no clue about facebook/myspace...
Do they also live under a rock? Even my grandma knows what Facebook is. It's hard to go a day without seeing it mentioned in the newspaper, overhearing some idiot on the street talking about it, or seeing the logo on someone's phone as they mindlessly look through obnoxious "what are you thinking about?" comments. I want to know their secret to avoiding it.


As much as I don't like it, if you were some 20-year-old guy with some "hot" pictures of yourself, it'd be a great way to get talking to girls that know people you know. If some hot 19-year-old Japanese girl asked you to sign up to Mixi so she could show you her pictures, you'd do it in a flash, so I don't think anyone is above this.

[Darth Demon]

I had a myspace account once like over 6 years ago and just kept randomly adding multiple friends request from people I didn't even know.

over time I think i had added over 100+ friends that i didnt know personally plus my real life friends.

After a few months passed my account somehow got hacked and the person who got into my account changed my settings, password, and email address so I couldn't even log in anymore.

Since then i never used myspace again.



Now I'm not sure if I was hacked when I used myspace, but I wasn't able to log in w/o waiting at a different time. Nothing was changed as I did got through to log in only to decide to delete my account & stop using myspace forever. That was like 2 years ago. Later on my former myspace link is used by another user. I don't really care about facebook which I not going to ever bother signing up for their lousy privacy policy.

[Maetel1180Crp]

Try asking them about Mixi. That's another site I'm trying to avoid signing up to.


you could consider yourself at ease, regarding a tempted signing-up at mixi, (in case, you are outside of J at the moment.) coz since a year or so, they made sporting a japanese cell mandatory, in the signing process.

..the "invitation only", they implemented a few years ago, wasn't enough, it seems. kinda funny, if you look at all them avid "The Who" fans in there, but well, that shutting-in notion is nothing new. ..in some twisted way, i salute them for it. ..mishima & all.

[Dyka]

Not that many Japanese people use Mixi. Even in terms of population percentage the number doesn't come close to that of MySpace and Facebook. It's easy for me to find young Japanese people who don't use Mixi. A lot of the user accounts are advertisements for escorts and porn stars.

I personally only log in to my account once every few weeks since none of my friends ever blog about anything worth trying to read. It's like a collection of really long Twitter posts but without the tagging.

Facebook... I wish I used it less. I'm trying to break free!

[colsanders]

you could consider yourself at ease, regarding a tempted signing-up at mixi, (in case, you are outside of J at the moment.) coz since a year or so, they made sporting a japanese cell mandatory, in the signing process.

..the "invitation only", they implemented a few years ago, wasn't enough, it seems. kinda funny, if you look at all them avid "The Who" fans in there, but well, that shutting-in notion is nothing new. ..in some twisted way, i salute them for it. ..mishima & all.

I believe this changed recently actually. Haven't tried signing up though. I wonder what the true motivation behind it was.

[Lustor!]

For someone who lives outside his mother country, Facebook has been really great to help me stay in touch with people back home. Sorry guys but it suits my needs and brought me back to friends I haven't seen in a long time and have always wanted to hook up with again.

[Dyka]

http://www.quitfacebookday.com/

As of this post it's closing in on 4000 supposed quitters after beign online for something like a week, or less.

Just the other day I went through my friends and deleted 266 of them, leaving me with 400. I felt no reason to have any of those people added and honestly I could probably take out another 100 if I up my criteria. I'll probably do another sweep a year from now.

And if any of them get mad at me when they notice then they have a problem because I didn't remove anyone who actually communicated with me in the last few months.

[Lustor!]

I agree with Dyka. I try to be careful about who I let in to my FB account and I keep my privacy settings set tight. One reason I do this too is to manage my newsfeed so I can see what my friends are doing around the world.

Look, the web is inherently 'unsafe'. If total privacy is your thing, get a pair of scissors and cut the feed to the net. Problem solved!

[ExtremelyHappy]

Within a week of Facebook's heartfelt apology, lookie here:


Facebook, MySpace Confront Privacy Loophole

Facebook, MySpace and several other social-networking sites have been sending data to advertising companies that could be used to find consumers' names and other personal details, despite promises they don't share such information without consent. Advertising companies are receiving information that could be used to look up individual profiles, which, depending on the site and the information a user has made public, include such things as a person's real name, age, hometown and occupation.

The practice, which most of the companies defended, sends user names or ID numbers tied to personal profiles being viewed when users click on ads. After questions were raised by The Wall Street Journal, Facebook and MySpace moved to make changes. By Thursday morning Facebook had rewritten some of the offending computer code.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704513104575256701215465596.html

[Teddy]

LOL, why are some surprised about this. If you're concerned be discrete with what you post online. Should be common knowledge nowadays anyways. The big companies, whether social networking or things like Apple you can't totally trust them cause all they care about is money. Greed or human "nature" so to speak. But for those that are that worried, unplug your net lol.

I say just be cautious and aware of what you put up on those sites.

[Shiro Yoshida]

I doubt I'll ever join FaceBook.

[ambertch]

you guys are dumb. Facebook posted $1 billion in revenue in 2009. They sure as hell don't need anybody to use it who doesn't already.

And this conversation was from back in 2003 when Zuck was 19 years old - how much can you expect out of a 19 year old in terms of maturity? Stop holding people to unrealistic standards.

[Teddy]

There is nothing dumb when being concerned of privacy, and if he was 19 then and that immature perhaps he shouldn't have started to run a business perhaps. Let's see if he'd like it if people used his personal info frivolously for their own end.

Notice, the ones who aren't being screwed act "high and mighty" lol. Meaning, if he found out his info was used in the way people's on facebook was he'd probably be pissed too, since it most likely isn't......

It's NOT an unrealistic standard to expect someone to not be a dillhole and sell out your personal info for their own means.... HE is being unrealistic and greedy here not people concerned about privacy. I don't know what standards you think people hold him too, but not wanting your personal info to be sold out for HIS gain, not yours, is NOT unrealistic.

If people are that concerned, like I said, just be careful what you post and make public to people.

[scanlover]

I have a facebook account, you insensitive clods! :shoot:

[Teddy]

Really, is it under the name Scanlover too or is it a personal one?

Hopefully I'm not one of the "Clods" OOPS lol.

[yupyupyup]

I have a FB account too. Gotta give FB credit that, if it's not for it, I wouldn't connect with some really old friends. It's also fun to check once in a while what they're doing. So, it's useful to me. I have only 32 friends. The circle is limitted to those I knew.

[inquisitiveman]

I have a FB account, but it is a bogus one. It is all bogus info. It allows me more freedom to lurk around in there and take more risks...i hell sure ain't dumb! i might create a few more bogus accounts. :-)