Why do JAV like to wear a cross on their neck during sex?

[yangyang]

any ideas? i been bothered lately when i see it cause it seem like there is meaning to it..not much of a coincidence if most JAV wear it

[erinys]

Not really sure. I haven't seen it in any of the JAV I've watched. Maybe it's certain few models or a studio or something doing it.

[Maetel1180Crp]

it's just a fashion accessoir. not a single bit of meaning behind it. it doesn't matter if it's a Christian Cross, an Iron Cross or the Pop-Teen Item of the month. it's all the same, just a fashion accessoir.

you see, in japan, if something gets popular with a crowd over a certain degree, it gets popular with all of the crowd. blame the post-war school-system.

only 1/2 of 1% of the japanese population can be classified as christians. somebody knows, what japanese do on baby-jesus birthday? they date & fuck. it's a fuck-day, backed by commerce & TV. japan ain't south-korea, they still got one ball left. the other one, like everybody elses one, got swallowed-up by capitalism. ..Mishima tried to warn them.

[redeux]

some of the worst whores i ever met wore crosses and carried bibles, no, i'm not kidding...
srysly, the x/t, whatever means nothing...:evillaugh:

[redeux]

x/t????

What's that lol?

http://www.google.com/search?q=cross+styles&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=Nat&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&prmd=ivns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&ei=utioTY6EAoeCsQPry4D6DA&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=2&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAQ&biw=1239&bih=694

http://www.applefielddirect.com/adj_library.cgi?dlt=on&tt=2805

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=Ybt&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=isch&q=cross+shapes&revid=1137357196&sa=X&ei=A9moTfOIJ5DCsAPig-ylCQ&ved=0CDMQ1QIoAA&biw=1239&bih=694

[kawaiineko]

somebody knows, what japanese do on baby-jesus birthday? they date & fuck. it's a fuck-day, backed by commerce & TV.

they also eat Kentucky Fried Chicken (KFC) on Xmas ... why? ... "Isnt that what you do in the West?" They were brainwashed by KFC in the 1970's. Then after the KFC, its off for some finger licking good sex!

http://tanutech.com/japan/jxmas.html
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/World/move-santa-claus-kfcs-colonel-sanders-signals-christmas/story?id=12437818

The KFC-Christmas connection

It’s a question that has troubled the greatest minds for decades: how did Christmas in Japan become synonymous with a fast food joint?

Foreigners may laugh at the queues that form outside branches of KFC on Dec 24, or the people reserving their buckets of chicken months in advance, but it turns out that we’ve only got ourselves to blame.

The tradition of eating KFC at Christmas dates back to the early ’70s, when an expat customer at the chain’s Aoyama store observed that, in a land bereft of Yuletide turkey, fried chicken was the next best thing. The store’s canny manager was paying attention and passed word on to the higher-ups, leading the company to launch its ludicrously successful “Kurisumasu ni wa kentakkii!” (Kentucky for Christmas!) campaign in 1974.

Or at least, that’s what the company says on its website (www.kfc.co.jp/qa). Or it might just be because Colonel Sanders looks like Father Christmas.

[erinys]

I'm sure the stats say 0.7% (maybe closer to 1% now) of Japanese are Christians. I haven't seen them wear crosses in many JAVs anyway but I didn't think there was ever any meaning to it.

Also, isn't it better, if you're sinning, to have a cross and bible since you're at least accepting them?

Anyway...

The swastika is one of the 108 symbols of Hindu deity Vishnu and represents the Sun's rays, upon which life depends.

According to Wikipedia but I have read this before elsewhere. The swastika was a hindu sign with a completely different meaning than what it means to the West today. I wonder if schools even teach kids that Hitler didn't invent the swastika?

[Lustor!]

Oh brother... Japanese are not "turning Christian."
And as pointed out, the cross is just fashion. That's all. Deal with it, or don't watch it.

[yangyang]

well i hate to say this i am a christian but unfortunately lust is a temptation i yet to overcome and whenever i watch its very disturbing to see them wearing crosses and i literally mean most of the vids i watch esp those gyaru ones..anyway is because i saw online that groups like the well known illuminati tend to disgrace christians though these means..making artists wear cross so as their actions will humiliate the significance of it..so who knows if they are in control of porn in japan as well? lol anyway its just a thought..please dont flame me>.<

[redeux]

well i hate to say this i am a christian but unfortunately lust is a temptation i yet to overcome and whenever i watch its very disturbing to see them wearing crosses and i literally mean most of the vids i watch esp those gyaru ones..anyway is because i saw online that groups like the well known illuminati tend to disgrace christians though these means..making artists wear cross so as their actions will humiliate the significance of it..so who knows if they are in control of porn in japan as well? lol anyway its just a thought..please dont flame me>.<

oh ffs, the enlightened ones have far better things to do with their time then petty psy-ops bullshit...
you say you saw it on the net?
well f*** me running, i've got bridge in new york i can give you a great price on...
the papists and heretics, not to mention the mainstream churches have done more to bring disgrace to the church than any conspirator ever could or will...
there is no conspiracy, grow up and grow a pair...
even the adversary doesn't bother anymore, people do all the damage for him , hes never had it easier since the creation...

[Teddy]

Actually, redeux, he isn't too far off.

Even though they "don't exist" the illuminati has been at "war" with the Christian's for so many centuries, maybe millenia. Namely the Catholic Church side of Christianity.

So, his/her theory isn't too far fetched albeit a little "out there".

But, like I said, the illuminati don't exist, right. So, if they don't exist there can't be any wars at all lol.

[Ninespiral]

So, someone has finally figured it out..

Yes, the Illuminati is in control of the Japanese AV studios..

The studios are paid to depict Christians in acts of debauchery and lust, because us free-thinkers and atheists are really sick of Christians telling us how wonderful it is to believe in god and be forgiven of all their sins..

Having people wearing crosses while getting fucked in front of a camera is just one of our leaders' (the Illuminati) way of saying 'fuck you' to those unmarried Christians who insist that they are virgins..

In fact, all free-thinkers and atheists make a monthly monetary contribution to the Illuminati to fund all kinds of things aimed at discrediting Christians.. I mean, we do have a bit of extra cash lying around every month, since we don't make donations at churches every week..

For our donations, we get a monthly newsletter sent to us via email..

According to the March edition, Terry Jones is actually atheist.. The Illuminati paid for the Koran-burning and for the media coverage during the event..

Also, Westboro Baptist Church is just a bunch of atheists posing as Christians.. Each member of the church gets paid $5,000 a month to generally be douchebags..

Next month, a group of 'Christians' will throw molotovs at the Dalai Lama Temple, and another group will splash paint on the portrait of Mao Zedong at Tiananmen Square, amongst other things..

If you'd like to find out more, or just be prepared for all the stuff us atheists have got lined up for you Christians, just sign up for the newsletter at:
www.atheists-hate-christians.com (http://www.atheists-hate-christians.com)

[colsanders]

Dan Brown sucks.

[redeux]

So-at:
www.atheists-hate-christians.com (http://www.atheists-hate-christians.com)
website doesn't work... 5k$ a month?... dayum, you must number in the millions by now...
:evillaugh:

[Ninespiral]

There are about 170million of us worldwide, so 10 cents from each of us every month pretty much makes the Illuminati fucking rich..

And for you to see anything on that link, you need to really believe that Atheists hate Christians..

[redeux]

There are about 170million of us worldwide, so 10 cents from each of us every month pretty much makes the Illuminati fucking rich..
And for you to see anything on that link, you need to really believe that Atheists hate Christians..
its the net ffs...
anything you can imagine is out there (and a whole lot you can't)...
weishaupt and barnum were right...

[irishwars]

Why do japanese girls wear t-shirts with english all over them. It's just fashionable and cool. Same thing with the cross. I don't think there is meaning behind it

[OldFartsFavourites]

Oh, for (whoevers) sake !! ...

Has no-one actually questioned the point of wearing
an instrument of torture and murder around
your neck in the FIRST place ?!? :(

[redeux]

Oh, for (whoevers) sake !! ...

Has no-one actually questioned the point of wearing
an instrument of torture and murder around
your neck in the FIRST place ?!? :(
so you're saying its actually a sign that you're into S&M?:evillaugh:

[Teddy]

Some may err but not all Crosses represent that.

I question cars since those are used to murder. I question butter knifes and all knifes for any purpose those are used to murder.

Just cause some have tried to make it into that doesn't mean that's the true meaning of the symbol. Blame THOSE humans and their own stupidity not the religion.

If someone plays GTA and mimics the game and then when on trial said the game made him do it, would anyone believe that person. He'd be laughed to scorn. So why is it when anything involves religion people are somehow blind and say the religion is evil cause those men are doing what the religion and all faith makes you do, instead of just blaming that man as evil.

[colsanders]

Some may err but not all Crosses represent that.
The cross was used for crucifixion (involves much torture and murder)...

[redeux]

the problem with the comparison is that gta is not a religion as such...
(KB, check your email)

[Ninespiral]

Ok, time to be serious..

Christians wear crosses to remind themselves that Jesus sacrificed himself to save them..

When someone who doesn't believe in God wears a cross, it doesn't mean a damned thing..

Given how little Christians there are in Japan, that's most likely the case..

Why let a little detail like that stop you from enjoying an AV??

If it really comes off as 'desecration of a holy symbol' to you, just don't watch the vid..

It's good to question the significance of things, but where there isn't any, probing further is just a waste of time..

[Teddy]

OK, my first bit about the illuminati was more a joke, in that I don't care if JAV stars wear a cross. As in I don't find it a desecration to it per se. Otherwise when I make mistakes I desecrate it too.

The other people are where your (Ninespiral) statements should lie. I do not really care for JAV too much anymore nor do I watch porn. I find it very boring. It's the same thing over and over. And NO, before I get accused since people here love to put words in my mouth, I don't care or judge if anyone watches porn. I used too a CRAP TON. I just don't anymore.

@ colsanders

You're looking at it the wrong way. You're just looking at the surface. See Ninespiral's comment on what the cross is really representing.

[Teddy]

the problem with the comparison is that gta is not a religion as such...
(KB, check your email)


It doesn't matter if one is a religion and one isn't.

The inherent principle is the same. So my point; even if not the best, is still valid, at least valid enough.

[Ninespiral]

Truth is, most Atheists I know would not force their beliefs onto others and personally, I don't really care what other people believe as long as they do what is right..

I believe following the good values advocated by the major religions in the world can make one a better person..

That being said, anyone can choose to do good or evil.. Being a follower of one religion doesn't make one a better person than someone of another religion..

Not following a religion does not make a person evil..

I just wish more people realize this..

Evangelistic Christians have been the most aggressive people in trying to convert me to their religion so far in my life.. (From my perspective, a few of the larger churches in my country really are just very successful MLM franchises..)

So, a Christian talking about a conspiracy by an elite group of Atheists to discredit Christianity on, of all places, a porn forum, really comes across as a hypocritical statement made by a hypocrite, and I thought taking the piss out of yangyang's 2nd post was an appropriate response..

[Teddy]

Let's play nice now.

If you guys want to get that technical, then no one should call out anyone's hypocrisy as ALL men have at least once been a hypocrite so anyone calling out anyone else's is falling to hypocrisy themselves again...

Just saying.

I know what you are trying to say but.... It seems like you are lumping him with the same Christians that tried to convert you. Why? You can't know for sure he is like that. No one would like it if I said all white men are "X" and all black men are "Y" due to some acting in those manners.

Not all Christians are like the ones you all seem to describe as hating them for trying to convert you.

Just say his theory is a little stupid or hokey if anything. I admit it's out there. I don't think the illuminati would own the Japanese porn industry and have them all wear a Crucifix as such is "tainting" it.

Even Christians can mess up and sin. I think some live in this semi imaginary world where they think Christians can be truly perfect and NEVER make a mistake and never sin ever again. Then, when someone messes up people can jump on them and "call out" their "hypocrisy" And I know some fellow brothers and sisters who act like they are all "high and mighty" and that upsets me too. That is NOT the way to act and how one is supposed too by elevating themselves above someone else when they aren't.

He's not outright being a hypocrite. He's just stating a theory; albeit a bit out there one.

Hypocrisy would more accurately be against myself being a staff member here on a "Porn" forum and saying I dislike porn. Even then I do not believe it's total hypocrisy. I have many good friends here and I enjoy talking to people here.

My reasons for not liking porn, though part is due to moral implications of doctrine saying it's lustful, are not just that. How many times do I need to see a girl suck a dick. How many times do I need to see a load shot in a girl. It's all the same, it just bored me personally, that's why I don't really watch it anymore. Now and then I get curious and look OOPS, but it's pretty rare actually.

[Ninespiral]

Well there you go.. Another Christian trying to change my beliefs.. This time it's about my definition of hypocrisy..

But seriously, I know it's not right to make assumptions about people, but wasn't yangyang's insinuation that an Atheist group seeking to discredit Christianity exists also an assumption??

Why even bother to defend him??

Let's just think of this a bit more simply..

Cast the issue of religion aside..

When someone makes a dumb comment, he should expect ridicule..

[Teddy]

No reason to get an attitude.

Why do you want to condemn him or others. I even said his theory was out there. Ridicule his theory not him. Think whatever you want, okay. Don't be rude and judgemental.

Just cause I am Christian and said something about one of your theories is not me converting you. If it is, then you and all atheists or agnostics or from another religion I can say is trying to convert me when they speak against my beliefs. I mean sheesh.

[Ninespiral]

I think you misunderstand..

I meant the first sentence in my previous post as a joke..

See a difference now??

[Teddy]

If you meant it as a joke, going by the rest of your post it's hard to discern that.

If you meant that as a joke, why then go on to say Why defend him? It seems like you were pretty serious.

[Ninespiral]

Uh.. You mean I should have made it a lot more obvious that it was a joke??

I'm sorry, but I don't usually use 'LOL' or emoticons on my posts.. Just look at all my previous posts.. I'd say the number of posts where emoticons have appeared is less than 15..

I apologize for the mis-communication..


On to the main bulk of that post - what I really meant was why bother to defend someone from ridicule when I think he deserves it, even when you also agree what he said was preposterous??

And really, I don't get how I was rude..

In my first post, I was pointing out the fact that there are Christians out there who try their best to give Christians a bad rep..

In my second, I was implying no one really believes Atheists hate Christians..

In my third, I spoke about the significance of wearing the cross to Christians and to other people, and told people involved in the discussion to not read too much into an insignificant act..

In my fourth, I was explaining why I made that first post..

In my fifth, I tried to crack a joke (which apparently failed to get across), and questioned why you would bother defending someone whom I consider a hypocrite and not-very-bright..

Oh.. For fuck's sake..

Can't anyone take a joke anymore??

[Teddy]

Your words sounded like you were upset and getting an attitude. That's why you don't want to type only like a computer sometimes. I learned the hard way and now why I try to say lol or something to let someone know it's light hearted.

Even then I still run into confusing people.

And you don't need to do "LOL" you could have just added another statement saying this is meant lighthearted as text as text only without any help or aid of trying to convey a joke isn't the best of ways to get it across. Or you could have done "......." your body then use parenthesis and said (this is a joke or meant light heartedly) or something.

One doesn't have to use "lol" lol.

[Ninespiral]

I really thought I did with the "But seriously" bit, man..

I'll take note of this next time I try to be funny..

[Teddy]

Well.... maybe. It was still somewhat hard for me to know. I mean going by the rest of your post being so serious and stern in your conviction and speech it was hard to tell. But seriously may help a bit but it wasn't enough.

I'm just trying to give you some advice. People want to put words in my mouth all the time and then condemn me instead of being a real man about it and asking what the fuck I meant lol. Not so much here, just saying in life. Is it that hard to ask what do you mean. Apparently for some it is they'd rather just assume and attack. Sometimes I fall victim to that myself.

But I learned in the text online world where one can't hear your voice and tone in speech or see you via video and see gestures of your facial expressions and hands it's pretty hard to tell from plain text. If anyone here knows you well and has talked to you in person they can probably tell.

But this thread is deviating from it's original purpose.


ON TOPIC::

I do find it highly unlikely the illuminati are behind this. If they want to "defame" Christianity, they'd do it in other ways, most likely more dark as they both in the days of old played very dark.

And it's funny somewhat, their theory of wearing a cross while doing it is desecrating the power of the cross cause Christians do it all the time when they judge others or hate others, or themselves, when they sin. Christ has power over sin so it really isn't desecrating it in that sense. But if to some sex with a cross is desecrating the Cross, so then is the Church who does evil and says it's in His name when He said not to do those things, and so does every person of the faith when they sin. They really aren't but my point is, if this thing in JAV is called that, so should my examples.

[redeux]

to quote a hated commentator "words mean things"...
use them with caution lest someone misunderstand...

[yangyang]

hey keibear thanks for speaking up for me..anyway ninespiral i am not what u think i am ok? i have read history books to gather enough source illuminati exist for a fact and the leader himself believe in god and science at the same time but during that time, the christian king thought he was a threat to the religion and banned him and his group to another land. he did not habor any hatred but died trying his best to do what he believed in but we never know what the other members felt. if i were them, i would also act this way as a way of revenge against christians. of course, whatever you all have been saying is valid. i am just giving you another possibility that you should know. and i know where you are coming from cause you have a bad impression of christian just like my other friends. i, for one stand on your side that some of them overdo it sometimes,even i cant stand it. as for myself, i am just questioning a possibility or a rumor that is going around..i am not here to make a statement or an assumption..i dont go around spreading gospel cause i am not that good a christian yet..as u can see i watch porn..i only try my best to help people and through that hope to touch their lives in someway.. and at this point, we should not be arguing..mankind should learn to co-exist more than ever..in regardless of religion or stuff that matters. aruge only churn out anger and resentment and all sorts of negative energy which will only make the world worse than it already is. so in case i might have caused any problem, i apologize but lets cool it alright? :)

[JavCOLLECTION]

This thread proves that no religious topic should be brought up in any internet forum... only exception for atheists-hate-christians.com
XD

[Teddy]

I admit it's a sensitive subject for many but I don't agree it shouldn't be brought up ever. Clearly only mature people should be involved or persons involved should try to be as mature as possible and not flame bait or troll.

Trust me, what you see here is okay and a little frustrating at best.

[erinys]

i am not here to make a statement or an assumption..i dont go around spreading gospel cause i am not that good a christian yet..as u can see i watch porn..i only try my best to help people and through that hope to touch their lives in someway.. and at this point, we should not be arguing..

Except that which is in red, this is the Christian attitude that I like. Don't worry about trying to spread the gospel or converting people as you'll only be wasting your time. Being a Christian myself, I find people will be more likely to listen if I am honest (e.g. about watching porn) and live a life through forgiveness, kindness, and without being proud or whiter than white.

Hence I don't feel put off just because Japanese pornstars are wearing the cross. So what - they're promoting it if anything. Jesus became famous because he was rejcted and stigmatised as the heretic and scum of all Earth.

But as I said in my earlier post about the swastika, it is banned in Germany but is a sign of peace in some Hindu countries. The cross in Japan, as pointed out by Maetel1180Crp, redeux, Ninespiral on page 1 is just an accessory. I'm sure the West use asian religious symbols as accessories too.

[Teddy]

I'm sure it's an accessory for some, especially in this case, but there are a few Japanese that are in fact Christian, so it's not just an accessory I think. However, are any porn stars Christian. Who knows, but some may actually be so.

If you try to convert everyone it'll have I'll effect, I think we can all agree and see that. I think just talking about it to some is okay but it depends. It's hard to say cause you'd have to know if you were supposed too or not.


Why is it the non believers of any religion get so heated about it but I don't curse and get pissed when atheists have tried to convert me, or people of other religions? It's an honest question. It's just what I experienced; I can't say it's always true but it is true from my experience in dealing with people. I get frustrated when people condemn me for no reason and I hear anti God rants no matter what I say; especially when I do NOT mention God, Jesus or religion to begin with. I also dislike people putting words in my mouth and assuming and then condemning me when they could just ask me to clarify. Is it really hard to ask that.

[beanburrito]

Why is it the non believers of any religion get so heated about it but I don't curse and get pissed when atheists have tried to convert me, or people of other religions? It's an honest question. It's just what I experienced; I can't say it's always true but it is true from my experience in dealing with people. I get frustrated when people condemn me for no reason and I hear anti God rants no matter what I say; especially when I do NOT mention God, Jesus or religion to begin with. I also dislike people putting words in my mouth and assuming and then condemning me when they could just ask me to clarify. Is it really hard to ask that.

Not gonna try and start shit but I say it goes both ways for both atheist and religious folk. That paragraph can rewritten by both and convey the same feeling. Replacing Atheist with Religious Folk and I bet a lot of atheist probably would feel the same way if a Christian hassles you on your beliefs too.

[Teddy]

Not gonna try and start shit but I say it goes both ways for both atheist and religious folk. That paragraph can rewritten by both and convey the same feeling. Replacing Atheist with Religious Folk and I bet a lot of atheist probably would feel the same way if a Christian hassles you on your beliefs too.



I don't think you were trying to start shit lol, not sure why you added that, what you said was fine and self explanatory. Maybe to protect yourself just in case but... I did say carefully in MY experience. Meaning the people I've dealt with I tend to see the people who believe in no religion flip out more and get upset and pissed when a Christian is "converting" them but if I see them try to convert someone of another religion I've noticed they don't flip out as much, if at all.

Again, people I KNOW and had experience with. I also said I can't speak for all. I'm sure there are some atheists who wouldn't point out hypocrisy or give two shits what the Christian said, as in it wouldn't bug them and offend them and they'd be calm and just say something like "Dude, you believe what you do, I believe what I do. I know you want to help me but I don't believe I need help" and not spazz out just cause a Christian talked to them.

I've had to defend atheists, agnostics and people of other religions from Christians getting a bit too out of hand lol. Or at least what seemed as such to me.

I'm not sure if your last sentence was actually to me specifically cause I actually am Christian, if you didn't know. I thought you'd have been able to tell by now lol.

[erinys]

I'm sure it's an accessory for some, especially in this case, but there are a few Japanese that are in fact Christian, so it's not just an accessory I think. However, are any porn stars Christian. Who knows, but some may actually be so.

If you try to convert everyone it'll have I'll effect, I think we can all agree and see that. I think just talking about it to some is okay but it depends. It's hard to say cause you'd have to know if you were supposed too or not.

Why is it the non believers of any religion get so heated about it but I don't curse and get pissed when atheists have tried to convert me, or people of other religions?

Indeed, Japan does have Christians but less than 1%.
http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20090224i1.html

I don't really notice a lot of church Christians in England wearing crosses round their necks and it's certainly not an obligation. I would say it's more of an accessory for even Christians in the West as well as youngsters in Japan. Some pornstars may indeed be Christian though I would still say the cross is for show.

I've also seen a video of a man wearing a T-shirt with the writing "Jesus is my saviour" or something along those lines. It was a Japanese porno but I think it was part of the script. I don't understand Japanese so I couldn't tell what the story behind it was.

As for the whole thing with conversion, whether it's coming from Christians, Athiests, or anyone else, no-one likes being told what they should believe or how they should live. I guess Christians get the most rap because of the few that set themselves up to look holy and whiter than thou, only to fall when the scandal is let out into the open.

As for Christians being in porn, I wouldn't be surprised if it were the case. It's just not as prevalent with Christians since for most of them, it's against their moral instinct. If there are Christian pornstars in Japan, I'd say the rate can't be any higher than 0.1%.

[Teddy]

Well, I know it's an accessory technically for even Christians. The Lord commanded no such thing. It's just a way for Christians to keep remembrance of His sacrifice for us is all.

But to non Christians who wear it, though it's still always technically a fashion accessory, wear it as any other necklace. But it still is an accessory for clothing even for Christians.

I don't know the actual number. Lustor sort of got on me about it lol. At least I think he was attacking me since I was the only one who mentioned Japanese being Christian. All I said is some are and some are changing over to Christianity. He didn't need to assume from that I meant like damn a HUGE majority like 80%+ lol.

I don't know if any JAV stars are Christian I just threw it out there cause who knows nowadays.

I know no one really likes to be told what to believe, but I just wonder why in my experience it's the non believers of any religion who seem to be more offended especially when Christians convert them or try too, but if from another religion and someone of a different than theirs tries to convert them they don't get offended really.

If it wasn't so clear.

Person A is Christian, Person B is Atheist and Person C is Buddhist.

Why is it, in my experience, so many people from C group aren't offended as person B if Person A tries to convert them both.

[erinys]

Person A is Christian, Person B is Atheist and Person C is Buddhist.

Why is it, in my experience, so many people from C group aren't offended as person B if Person A tries to convert them both.

Probably because athests have no spiritual beliefs whereas Buddhists do. But since Buddhists tend to stick to their own circles and don't feel the need to advertise Buddha (or any gods they believe in), they don't draw any attention to themselves.

With Christians (and Muslims to some extent), they believe it is a duty as a Christian to spread the gospel. Not all Christians do this but some churches are quite bad for making their churchgoers feel guilty for being 'unfruitful' (not converting anyone). Evangelical organisations tend to be the worst offenders in my experience. If someone wants to accept Jesus and become a Christian, they will do so out of free will whether they're told once or a thousand times.

As you mention here:-
"Dude, you believe what you do, I believe what I do. I know you want to help me but I don't believe I need help"

Yet in countries where the Bible is banned, people will do anything to get hold of one. As they say, the more you give something away, the less they'll want it. The more scarce you make it, the more they'll want it.

[colsanders]

Person A is Christian, Person B is Atheist and Person C is Buddhist.

Why is it, in my experience, so many people from C group aren't offended as person B if Person A tries to convert them both.
How many Buddhists have you actually met? I can't claim to know much about the religion, but acceptance and non-striving seem to be a key part of the philosophy, so I guess that explains a lot.

In my experience, atheists, or at least the people who openly proclaim to be atheists, don't try to convert anyone. They prefer a mixture of condescension and derision to feed their superiority complex, while overlooking the irony that they rely on faith just as much as any other religion.

Christians are a harder bunch to comment on, since they're so divided among sects and further by the "choice of beliefs" of many individuals. The predominant image I have of young Christians in the US/UK is people who can barely follow half of the 10 Commandments, let alone live a respectable Christian lifestyle. Nowadays, as long as you qualify "I'm Christian" with some half-assed line like "I have my own interpretation of the Bible (which I've never read)", it's fine to hold grudges, go binge drinking, fuck strangers and just plain do whatever the hell you want when it suits you. I think widespread hypocrisy is what makes Christianity unique from the other major religions (including atheism).

[Teddy]

How many Buddhists have you actually met? I can't claim to know much about the religion, but acceptance and non-striving seem to be a key part of the philosophy, so I guess that explains a lot.



Buddhists personally, not much, which is why I tried to be careful in my wording by saying "In my experience" and mentioned that I can't speak for all as that would be a big fallacy/fallacious claim.



In my experience, atheists, or at least the people who openly proclaim to be atheists, don't try to convert anyone. They prefer a mixture of condescension and derision to feed their superiority complex, while overlooking the irony that they rely on faith just as much as any other religion.



It may be harder to discern if one (Atheist) is trying to convert a Christian or someone else of dropping their faith but there are some but I can't say 100% if they were "true" Atheists or just following a crowd cause it seemed "cool". I knew some that were by saying I'm wasting my life believing in Jesus and God when there is none and I should not be a "prisoner" and be "free" and "realize" there is no God and I'm a prisoner of it. That seems to me they were trying to convert me lol. Different people, some males, some female saying that same line pretty much just different a bit as each person would word it differently on their own perceptions. None of which knew each other as these happened different times, different places. Once when I lived in England.



Christians are a harder bunch to comment on, since they're so divided among sects and further by the "choice of beliefs" of many individuals. The predominant image I have of young Christians in the US/UK is people who can barely follow half of the 10 Commandments, let alone live a respectable Christian lifestyle. Nowadays, as long as you qualify "I'm Christian" with some half-assed line like "I have my own interpretation of the Bible (which I've never read)", it's fine to hold grudges, go binge drinking, fuck strangers and just plain do whatever the hell you want when it suits you. I think widespread hypocrisy is what makes Christianity unique from the other major religions (including atheism).



Ain't that the truth. That confuses me too lol. I even wonder why are there so many sects of Christianity. I'll say "Oh, so you're Christian" They're like "No, I'm "Methodist/Baptist/Presbyterian/Catholic!" Then I'll say "Is Jesus the Christ and Son of God?" They say, "Yes!" so I go, "So you ARE Christian then" That's why His name is even in the believe itself. Followers that Jesus IS Christ and the Son of God. I just don't get it. My interpretation is it's more about festives and ceremonial practices is what really distinguishes them. My Mother is Methodist, I forget what my dad is but it's different, either Lutheran or Presbyterian.


Well, sadly some are VERY hypocritical, I don't feel all are. I know I try not to be but I probably err and do it somewhat often too. I don't always catch it, maybe you or others have. But all men err, no matter what faith, so clearly the faith itself I don't see is the real cause to it. Many misinterpret certain scriptures then go off on others who don't believe. Heck, Jesus called out the religious hypocrites in His ministry. They are alive and well today too, sadly. I don't believe I'm "above" anyone cause I believe in Jesus as the Lord. I don't see anyone beneath me cause they do not. He never taught to hate or judge. So the Christians who hold up the signs saying (Jesus hates gays) are fools cause He didn't hate anyone.

I wish people like that stopped giving Christianity a bad name. They are living in the Old Testament which isn't what we Christians are supposed to do. Then there is the damned Catholic Church, don't get me started on them. Every single crusade and terrorist act of evil from Christians came from that Church, not all Christians. I find that very sad and disgraceful. They went out killing in the name of Christ when He said very plainly "Thou shalt NOT kill"


I used to be one of the ones that'd try to convert everyone and I possibly lost friends due to this. This was many years ago but I took it upon myself to have to SAVE them. A Christian isn't supposed to try to convert everyone. Jesus even told His disciples as much by saying not to go to every house and door to door.

Like I said in an earlier post, I have had to defend Atheists, Buddhists and others from fellow brothers and sisters making the mistake I did.

[redeux]

Buddhists-did.
KB, you can't 'save' anybody from themselves...
the sooner you learn that the happier you'll be..

[Maetel1180Crp]

I don't know the actual number. Lustor sort of got on me about it lol. At least I think he was attacking me since I was the only one who mentioned Japanese being Christian. All I said is some are and some are changing over to Christianity. He didn't need to assume from that I meant like damn a HUGE majority like 80%+ lol.


maybe we leave the japanese out of all discussions, that circle around Christianity & Religious Faith altogether. because, like in all average educated societys of today, there is really only one religion, the majority of people are keen to follow, which is the Money.

[erinys]

maybe we leave the japanese out of all discussions, that circle around Christianity & Religious Faith altogether. because, like in all average educated societys of today, there is really only one religion, the majority of people are keen to follow, which is the Money.

Well said.

Thought I would add:
In Communism, God is Power.
In Capitalism, God is Money

[Maetel1180Crp]

regarding communism (& other -ism's), i remember a great quote from Georges Clemenceau:

My son is 22 years old. If he had not become a Communist at 22, I would have disowned him. If he is still a Communist at 30, I will do it then.

[luvasiandolls]

any ideas? i been bothered lately when i see it cause it seem like there is meaning to it..not much of a coincidence if most JAV wear it

Hilarious. "My Christian sensibilities are offended by all the actresses in my Japanese porn vid collection wearing crosses."

[Lustor!]

Read it and weep:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Japan

[Teddy]

Nice try but I'd hardly call Wikipedia the most accurate and 100% infallible lol.

I want to drop it but you don't seem to want too. I just said some are converting. Stop putting words in my mouth and assuming I meant like 80% is Christian sheesh lol. If I said something like a majority are Christian your arguments would be true and refute what I said. I only stated some, so saying what percentage that is supposedly up to date accurate is not an argument to disprove what I said so I don't get your argument if it is one.

I'd rather just let it go. You don't like Christians, fine, most I come across don't. I just don't want this to become something it doesn't need too. If it offends you that I said some Japanese are converting, well why should it? I never said YOU should convert lol.

[Teddy]

regarding communism (& other -ism's), i remember a great quote from Georges Clemenceau:


My son is 22 years old. If he had not become a Communist at 22, I would have disowned him. If he is still a Communist at 30, I will do it then.






I don't get it fully. Maybe I'm too young lol. What was he intending to say or what's the meaning of it?

[redeux]

I don't get it fully. Maybe I'm too young lol. What was he intending to say or what's the meaning of it?
when you're young and stupid you're a liberal , when you're older and smarter you're a conservative...

[Lustor!]

when you're young and stupid you're a liberal , when you're older and smarter you're a conservative...
I think you mean to say, when you're young and full of hope you're a liberal, when you're old and afraid of seeing the next generation get more out of life than you you're a conservative.

[Lustor!]

Nice try but I'd hardly call Wikipedia the most accurate and 100% infallible lol.

I want to drop it but you don't seem to want too. I just said some are converting. Stop putting words in my mouth and assuming I meant like 80% is Christian sheesh lol. If I said something like a majority are Christian your arguments would be true and refute what I said. I only stated some, so saying what percentage that is supposedly up to date accurate is not an argument to disprove what I said so I don't get your argument if it is one.

I'd rather just let it go. You don't like Christians, fine, most I come across don't. I just don't want this to become something it doesn't need too. If it offends you that I said some Japanese are converting, well why should it? I never said YOU should convert lol.
I am not putting words in your mouth. You made a statement and I called you on it as you kept it up. Now that you're proven wrong, you call it a joke.

I didn't say I don't like Christians. I don't like religion. This is one reason I like living in Japan. I don't have to deal with skirting around peoples prehistoric beliefs or have to put up with insane fantasies about burning in fire pits or sitting on clouds for eternity.

However, if you choose to believe this, that is your right. It's up to you!

[Teddy]

I am not putting words in your mouth. You made a statement and I called you on it as you kept it up. Now that you're proven wrong, you call it a joke.

I didn't say I don't like Christians. I don't like religion. This is one reason I like living in Japan. I don't have to deal with skirting around peoples prehistoric beliefs or have to put up with insane fantasies about burning in fire pits or sitting on clouds for eternity.

However, if you choose to believe this, that is your right. It's up to you!


Fair enough. You should have just asked me to clarify then, Lustor, and I would have.
I never said it was a large amount. I only said Japanese are converting. If more than one do then my statement holds true. If you interpret that to mean a LOT then that's your interpretation but it doesn't necessarily make my words false. If I said blatantly "Most Japanese people are Christian", then your argument would be absolutely irrefutable with your link. But based on what I said it's just showing the supposed up to date number that actually is Christian. And some are so my statement is still technically true. :bingo: This is just a "battle" of technicality that both of us are correct and wrong at the same time in OOPS lol.


Well, if you don't like religions and Christians are a follower of religion you conversely don't like Christians cause calling one a Christian is a qualification on belief, not the person themself lol. :bingo: